http://simbintools.forumotion.net/feed/? Latest topics Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:02:48 GMT 10 http://illiweb.com/fa/empty.gif http://simbintools.forumotion.net/feed/? http://simbintools.forumotion.net/gtltool-development-f13/happy-new-year-t70.htm greenie Looking good Terry! GTLTool Development Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:02:48 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/gtltool-development-f13/happy-new-year-t70.htm#103 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/gtltool-development-f13/happy-new-year-t70.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/band-projects-f18/nautilis-t43.htm boogieman Fortunatley, memory archives those things which are less memorable. Band Projects Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:20:57 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/band-projects-f18/nautilis-t43.htm#58 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/band-projects-f18/nautilis-t43.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-18-la-cave-t68.htm looseether Food - The Sustenance of LifeOne evening Sasha, Sandro and myself were very merry. We decided to gather together around a microphone and make stupid noises. We ended up with a very silly recording of 3 humans making stupid noises. Turned out rather well we all thought It was recorded, effected, reversed and then used as the complete floor for this song. This was a lot of fun and came together vey quickly. I especially like how the second half turned out. Turgid Gristle Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:27:55 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-18-la-cave-t68.htm#93 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-18-la-cave-t68.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-20-gosnells-32-t67.htm looseether ]]> Turgid Gristle Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:18:10 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-20-gosnells-32-t67.htm#92 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-20-gosnells-32-t67.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-17-gosnells-29-t66.htm looseether
I think this one pumps a bit !!]]> Turgid Gristle Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:40:47 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-17-gosnells-29-t66.htm#91 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-17-gosnells-29-t66.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-16-time-t65.htm looseether
An epic doomy plodder.]]> Turgid Gristle Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:39:07 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-16-time-t65.htm#90 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-16-time-t65.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-14-snake-s-can-t-walk-t64.htm looseether To quote the blurb from The God Within album. looseether wrote:Well, have you ever seen one ?? walk that is ??? This title came from the utterunce of my friend and bass player - Sasha. It's all his fault !! This is also a track I wrote on the Amiga and re-hashed it in 16-bittedness on the PC. Turgid Gristle Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:36:24 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-14-snake-s-can-t-walk-t64.htm#89 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-14-snake-s-can-t-walk-t64.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-13-roleystone-17-t63.htm looseether To quote the blurb from The God Within album. looseether wrote:When I received my PC version of Octamed I also ordered and received a companion sample CD. The sample Cd contained a folder of female spot vocals which I have used in this tune. The song begins like a pop song and then digresses (degenerates ?) into a looseether song with industrial elements Turgid Gristle Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:33:54 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-13-roleystone-17-t63.htm#88 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-13-roleystone-17-t63.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-09-gosnells-34-t62.htm looseether Placeholder ]]> Turgid Gristle Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:30:13 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-09-gosnells-34-t62.htm#87 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-09-gosnells-34-t62.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-19-ice-strut-t61.htm looseether To quote the blurb from The God Within album. looseether wrote:This was one of the first tracks I wrote upon receiving my PC version of Octamed. Ice Strut - Basically written from a man's perspective about a good-looking but arrogant 'ice-queen' woman. You occasionaly see them walking in cities, so cock-sure but so very un-approachable. The Ice queen doing her Strut. Ladies, I suppose you could apply it to men as well but that is your department. Being a bloke, I can only write ... Turgid Gristle Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:28:27 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-19-ice-strut-t61.htm#86 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-19-ice-strut-t61.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-11-planetary-annihilation-t60.htm looseether
Short slow, melodic number with vocoded spot vocals, fretless bass and some silly sounds. ]]> Turgid Gristle Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:24:24 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-11-planetary-annihilation-t60.htm#85 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-11-planetary-annihilation-t60.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-12-gosnells-41-t59.htm looseether
Another typically quirked up looseether tune. ]]> Turgid Gristle Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:22:24 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-12-gosnells-41-t59.htm#84 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-12-gosnells-41-t59.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-10-loose-ether-t58.htm looseether To quote the blurb from The God Within album. looseether wrote:Another original penning for the album. It is predominately drums and bass (without being drum'n'bass) with an eastern melody. Here are the lyrics, that once again do not appear in the song - no vocals. Here comes Loose Ether It's time for me to appear, in front of all of you. I hope that I didn't scare ya. But you see, I only come when called. I came through hell just to be here. Small minded people Shuffling ... Turgid Gristle Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:10:58 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-10-loose-ether-t58.htm#83 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-10-loose-ether-t58.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-08-liquid-karma-t57.htm looseether Liquid Karma Finally !!! A track with a song title !! This is a song about and for the Australian Prime Minister - John Howard and his episode, we in Australia call 'The Children Overboard Scandal'. It later developed to have lyrics and vocals (yes mine unfortunately -- one day I'll get a real singer to do what I can't ) It's another metal tune made up of several parts/movements. I used a number of samples from sources unknown and created the guitar parts and ... Turgid Gristle Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:22:33 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-08-liquid-karma-t57.htm#81 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-08-liquid-karma-t57.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-07-gosnells-4-t55.htm looseether Gosnells 4
When I'd discoved that Hitler and Dubbya had joined forces to form the 4th Reich,
I knew that they would need a song.

I decided to write it for them and this is it !





- The song title does have a 4 in it ]]> Turgid Gristle Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:08:55 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-07-gosnells-4-t55.htm#79 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-07-gosnells-4-t55.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-06-gosnells-17-t54.htm looseether Ahhh...Gosnells 17 It makes me want to just stay in doors and pro-create...now where's Barry White when you need him Yep folks, this is looseether at his sexy and seductive best. Slow moist rock with steamy organ melodies pierced by sticky rhythms Turgid Gristle Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:54:55 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-06-gosnells-17-t54.htm#78 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-06-gosnells-17-t54.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-05-gosnells-14-t53.htm looseether Ok, this track starts off with an imaginative, if somewhat quirky song title, followed by a nonsensical description, leaving the potential listener with no option but to download the track and then having listened to it, post a comment here, describing the track thus fulfilling the purpose of this rant. (and letting the author off the hook !) Turgid Gristle Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:46:37 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-05-gosnells-14-t53.htm#77 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-05-gosnells-14-t53.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-04-titania-t52.htm looseether Apparently Titania is the Queen of the fairies. This song was created as a direct result of a blind internet date. Well it wasn't really blind - I could see, she could see and we had seen each other no less than an hour before on the internet. Problem was (from my perspective at least), was that when I got to her house an met her, she had grown fourfold in all dimensions except height and she was wearing someone elses face !! Dancey is how I'd best describe this one. ... Turgid Gristle Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:30:28 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-04-titania-t52.htm#76 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-04-titania-t52.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-03-fugitive-t51.htm looseether To quote the blurb from The God Within album.... looseether wrote:This was a new song written for the album, as opposed to a re-hash of an old Amiga Med Module. Fugitive - You have the law chasing you and you must get away !! (but aren't you tired of running ?) I had written lyrics for the chorus, but like 99% of the songs on The God Within, it has no vocals. Lyrics of chorus. Just when you thought there was somewhere to run to. Just when you thought there was somewhere to ... Turgid Gristle Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:24:41 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-03-fugitive-t51.htm#75 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-03-fugitive-t51.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-02-fremantle-2-t50.htm looseether Guitars and Cars !!!
(Oh and the obligatory song title from hell)]]> Turgid Gristle Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:24:02 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-02-fremantle-2-t50.htm#74 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-02-fremantle-2-t50.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-01-gosnells-12-t49.htm looseether

I think the song title shows a certain flair ]]> Turgid Gristle Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:22:15 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-01-gosnells-12-t49.htm#73 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-01-gosnells-12-t49.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/python-f33/starting-out-t48.htm looseether Starting out with Python. Python Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:45:18 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/python-f33/starting-out-t48.htm#70 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/python-f33/starting-out-t48.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/news-f12/forum-expansion-t46.htm looseether
Added A GPL area and added GPLLTFA to the software development Category.]]> News Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:03:09 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/news-f12/forum-expansion-t46.htm#68 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/news-f12/forum-expansion-t46.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-15-metallion-t41.htm looseether The quote the blurb from The God Within albumlooseether wrote:Metallion - The Metal Battalion. Synth Metal Pump !! Originally written around 1994 on an Amiga 1200 and re-done in 2000 on the PC. I have always imagined this song as describing a space armada leaving it's home-world to launch an attack on another planet of beings. Turgid Gristle Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:03:07 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-15-metallion-t41.htm#56 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/turgid-gristle-f22/track-15-metallion-t41.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-17-metallion-t37.htm looseether Metallion - The Metal Battalion. Synth Metal Pump !! Originally written around 1994 on an Amiga 1200 and re-done in 2000 on the PC. I have always imagined this song as describing a space armada leaving it's home-world to launch an attack on another planet of beings. The God Within Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:42:09 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-17-metallion-t37.htm#51 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-17-metallion-t37.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-16-deep-space-t36.htm looseether Deep Space.
Besides, it is kind of spacey

The song is once again made up of several movements.]]> The God Within Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:41:48 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-16-deep-space-t36.htm#50 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-16-deep-space-t36.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-15-one-step-back-t35.htm looseether
Gets it's title from its musical rhythm. One step forward and two steps back......
hopefully when you hear it you will understand what I mean.]]> The God Within Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:41:30 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-15-one-step-back-t35.htm#49 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-15-one-step-back-t35.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-14-snake-s-can-t-walk-t34.htm looseether
This title came from the utterunce of my friend and bass player - Sasha.
It's all his fault !!

This is also a track I wrote on the Amiga and re-hashed it in 16-bittedness on the PC.]]> The God Within Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:41:02 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-14-snake-s-can-t-walk-t34.htm#48 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-14-snake-s-can-t-walk-t34.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-13-galactic-interplanetary-love-zone-t33.htm looseether This is the song I entered in to the 2000 song contest (mentioned in The God Within Info post ). It was a mad rush to create this song from scratch, with vocals to a finished submissible product. I made the deadline - barely. With one day to go before the entry cut-off, I still had to get the vocals done. I had no equipment for the task. A friend of mine did have the required equipment so I dragged myself and my song over to his place. The last thing I wanted was to do the vocals ... The God Within Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:40:27 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-13-galactic-interplanetary-love-zone-t33.htm#47 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-13-galactic-interplanetary-love-zone-t33.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-12-freedom-t32.htm looseether Anthemic synth pop/dance tune. Like I said in the post of another track - I'm struggling to describe my own music !!! So if you think my description is off - feel free to suggest something else (in your reply post). Playing this to some friends, they suggested a similarity to some 80's synth pop. So be it then - 80's style anthemic synth pop The God Within Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:39:32 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-12-freedom-t32.htm#46 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-12-freedom-t32.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-11-roleystone-10c-t31.htm looseether
I was messing about with AudioMulch to create some samples with a kind of quick delay sound, tempo-matched.
I made a few samples then layered them over a drum and bass track and the result is this 1:47 song.]]> The God Within Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:38:56 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-11-roleystone-10c-t31.htm#45 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-11-roleystone-10c-t31.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-10-roleystone-17-t30.htm looseether The sample Cd contained a folder of female spot vocals which I have used in this tune.

The song begins like a pop song and then digresses (degenerates ?) into a looseether song with industrial elements ]]> The God Within Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:35:39 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-10-roleystone-17-t30.htm#44 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-10-roleystone-17-t30.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-09-ice-strut-t29.htm looseether This was one of the first tracks I wrote upon receiving my PC version of Octamed. Ice Strut - Basically written from a man's perspective about a good-looking but arrogant 'ice-queen' woman. You occasionaly see them walking in cities, so cock-sure but so very un-approachable. The Ice queen doing her Strut. Ladies, I suppose you could apply it to men as well but that is your department. Being a bloke, I can only write from my perspective, which is extremely blokey The God Within Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:35:17 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-09-ice-strut-t29.htm#43 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-09-ice-strut-t29.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-08-ducks-t28.htm looseether This one always makes me laugh - it's just so silly. I had the song done and finished but got inspired one day - watching ducks play in the water, to write some lyrics. This is where the title comes from. I'm pretty happy with this one too ! The lyrics - which are not in the song on the album. Now I'd like to tell you a story about some friends of mine. Two little ducks waddled down to the local park. It was raining, So they were very happy. One turned to the other ... The God Within Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:34:53 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-08-ducks-t28.htm#42 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-08-ducks-t28.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-07-roleystone-5-t27.htm looseether

Very much Drums and Synth.
I think this one turned out pretty well.

It has my signature melodic quirkiness.

]]> The God Within Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:34:03 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-07-roleystone-5-t27.htm#41 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-07-roleystone-5-t27.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-06-roleystone-16-t26.htm looseether I sampled him, cut the samples up and reorganised them into what become this song.

Possibly not my most imaginative effort (except for the song title of course )
but it was still fun to make and there are some interesting sounds in there !]]> The God Within Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:45:14 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-06-roleystone-16-t26.htm#40 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-06-roleystone-16-t26.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-05-the-inner-sanctum-t25.htm looseether Another track written in Roleystone - what happened to the song title ? Slow wafty synth intro into a faster main riff - dominated by an octaving bassline with frenetic synth lead melody. Like most of my tunes it has several parts/changes in it. The Inner Sanctum - gets it name from the idea of secret societies (well they do exist - just maybe not so secret anymore!) The God Within Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:44:34 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-05-the-inner-sanctum-t25.htm#39 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-05-the-inner-sanctum-t25.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-04-armadale-1b-t24.htm looseether I really am not very good at describing my own music If anyone wants to help me out by adding their own description of my songs (in your reply posts), I'd be happy to include them here (if I agree with your description of course ) Ok then...kind of a dance track, I mean it has the *dooss dooss* drum pulse, keyboard melody some spot vocal samples.... The God Within Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:43:35 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-04-armadale-1b-t24.htm#38 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-04-armadale-1b-t24.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-03-loose-ether-t23.htm looseether Another original penning for the album. It is predominately drums and bass (without being drum'n'bass) with an eastern melody. Here are the lyrics, that once again do not appear in the song - no vocals. Here comes Loose Ether It's time for me to appear, in front of all of you. I hope that I didn't scare ya. But you see, I only come when called. I came through hell just to be here. Small minded people Shuffling around your money. You don't understand what life's ... The God Within Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:43:15 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-03-loose-ether-t23.htm#37 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-03-loose-ether-t23.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-02-roleystone-8-t22.htm looseether Don't I just ooze song title creativity ?

This a short moody rock tune riffed with strings, has a flute melody and a fair bit of drums.]]> The God Within Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:42:08 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-02-roleystone-8-t22.htm#36 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-02-roleystone-8-t22.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-01-fugitive-t21.htm looseether This was a new song written for the album, as opposed to a re-hash of an old Amiga Med Module. Fugitive - You have the law chasing you and you must get away !! (but aren't you tired of running ?) I had written lyrics for the chorus, but like 99% of the songs on The God Within, it has no vocals. Lyrics of chorus. Just when you thought there was somewhere to run to. Just when you thought there was somewhere to hide. Deep down inside of you, something acknowledges Life has ... The God Within Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:41:12 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-01-fugitive-t21.htm#35 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/the-god-within-f19/track-01-fugitive-t21.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/general-discussion-f10/panel-beating-t9.htm Greaser
One may be a Slick Sam or Suzy behind the wheel of a fast car, real or cyber, Butt;

"If you want to keep your body in shape..
Sleep with a panel-beater"

Tally Ho,

David. (Grease Monkey and Panel-Beater Extraordinare)

]]> General Discussion Mon, 01 Dec 2008 01:38:27 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/general-discussion-f10/panel-beating-t9.htm#13 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/general-discussion-f10/panel-beating-t9.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/news-f12/site-rules-t7.htm looseether
1. Stay on topic
2. Don't use this site for illegal activities - you will be banned immediately with no recourse !!

---

looseether]]> News Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:52:44 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/news-f12/site-rules-t7.htm#10 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/news-f12/site-rules-t7.htm http://simbintools.forumotion.net/gtltool-development-f13/comments-on-progress-t6.htm ar116gtv6

The progress that is ?

Mate A !]]> GTLTool Development Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:35:40 GMT http://simbintools.forumotion.net/gtltool-development-f13/comments-on-progress-t6.htm#8 http://simbintools.forumotion.net/gtltool-development-f13/comments-on-progress-t6.htm